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1 Eclectic Cyborg  Sep 4, 2014 3:48:32pm

How the hell is that even legal?

2 HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2014 4:03:08pm

Another Romney winner.

3 Dark_Falcon  Sep 4, 2014 5:13:12pm

What’s really bad is Claire McCaskill elbowing Taylor aside for a well-funded mercenary independent. It’s a tawdry bit of candidate bait-and-switch, but that’s to be expected from her. I’m glad Kris Kobach is acting to use a technicality to prevent the Dems from benefiting from this maneuver. I also think Republicans should make the argument that failures of the Democrats make them too toxic to run in Kansas as Democrats.

This Democrat trick won’t work. It’ll fail and McCaskill will have some serious egg on her face.

4 klys  Sep 4, 2014 5:14:22pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

What’s really bad is Claire McCaskill elbowing Taylor aside for a well-funded mercenary independent. It’s a tawdry bit of candidate bait-and-switch, but that’s to be expected from her. I’m glad Kris Kobach is acting to use a technicality to prevent the Dems from benefiting from this maneuver. I also think Republicans should make the argument that failures of the Democrats make them too toxic to run in Kansas as Democrats.

This Democrat trick won’t work. It’ll fail and McCaskill will have some serious egg on her face.

Rah rah party yay?

Seriously, Dark, that’s kind of disgusting.

5 Dark_Falcon  Sep 4, 2014 5:27:57pm

re: #4 klys

Rah rah party yay?

Seriously, Dark, that’s kind of disgusting.

No, it’s not. If Republicans pulled this sort of stunt liberals would be attacking them for duplicity. Well, what’s good for the gander is good for the goose.

6 Randall Gross  Sep 4, 2014 5:32:20pm

re: #3 Dark_Falcon

McCaskill has zip to do with this, it’s KANSAS, not Missouri.

7 Randall Gross  Sep 4, 2014 5:37:01pm

Missouri: The state that Todd Akin and Claire McCaskill are from.
Kansas: The state Brownback, Kobach, and Sebellius are from.

8 HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2014 5:37:18pm

re: #6 Randall Gross

McCaskill has zip to do with this, it’s KANSAS, not Missouri.

I think he’s saying this because she’s DSCC chair but no matter, there’s nothing wrong with what the candidate did.

9 Dark_Falcon  Sep 4, 2014 5:37:22pm

re: #6 Randall Gross

McCaskill has zip to do with this, it’s KANSAS, not Missouri.

I’d argue she has a lot to do with this, and as evidence I cite the following (sourced from the same newspaper that you sourced from):

Missouri’s McCaskill urged Democrat to withdraw from Kansas Senate race

10 HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2014 5:38:14pm

So they saw that they would have a better chance defeating Roberts if the Dem withdrew. There’s nothing wrong with that. Sorry if that hurts your rah rah team GOP sensibilities.

11 HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2014 5:39:07pm

We constantly rail about the two party system. What we’ve seen in Alaska and now Kansas this week is a nice example of how we can fix that somewhat.

12 Randall Gross  Sep 4, 2014 5:39:10pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

I’d argue she has a lot to do with this, and as evidence I cite the following (sourced from the same newspaper that you sourced from):

Missouri’s McCaskill urged Democrat to withdraw from Kansas Senate race

And Kansas politics heeds what people from Missouri say exactly zero percent of the time DF. It’s been that way since before we got the civil war kicked off.

13 Backwoods_Sleuth  Sep 4, 2014 5:39:46pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

No, it’s not. If Republicans pulled this sort of stunt liberals would be attacking them for duplicity. Well, what’s good for the gander is good for the goose.

oh gee, like Dede Scozzafava…

oh wait, the GOP attacked her…

14 klys  Sep 4, 2014 5:39:54pm

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

No, it’s not. If Republicans pulled this sort of stunt liberals would be attacking them for duplicity. Well, what’s good for the gander is good for the goose.

Yep. Rah rah party first bullshit. Fuck your party that thinks that I’m not worth equal pay or my full health care because I’m a woman. You vote for this shit, start owning it.

15 HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2014 5:43:10pm

re: #14 klys

Yep. Rah rah party first bullshit. Fuck your party that thinks that I’m not worth equal pay or my full health care because I’m a woman. You vote for this shit, start owning it.

Preach it.

16 Randall Gross  Sep 4, 2014 5:43:24pm

Here’s a hint DF: The moderate Republicans in Johnson County will be voting for Ormond .

17 klys  Sep 4, 2014 5:46:25pm

re: #16 Randall Gross

Here’s a hint DF: The moderate Republicans in Johnson County will be voting for Ormond .

Dark doesn’t care, because Ormond doesn’t have an (R) by his name.

But he’ll pretend that he wouldn’t vote that way if we point out really egregious wingnut views that those politicians espouse. You can talk to him nicely about it but it never actually sinks in that he’s supporting a party that thinks at least half the people who post on this board don’t deserve full rights as Americans, per their party platform. And he’ll never actually respond to that either.

I’d just like him to acknowledge that reality once, instead of pretending otherwise. Instead, I will enjoy the crickets again.

18 HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2014 5:48:20pm

re: #17 klys

Dark doesn’t care, because Ormond doesn’t have an (R) by his name.

But he’ll pretend that he wouldn’t vote that way if we point out really egregious wingnut views that those politicians espouse. You can talk to him nicely about it but it never actually sinks in that he’s supporting a party that thinks at least half the people who post on this board don’t deserve full rights as Americans, per their party platform. And he’ll never actually respond to that either.

I’d just like him to acknowledge that reality once, instead of pretending otherwise. Instead, I will enjoy the crickets again.

It doesn’t even read like supporting a party to me sometimes. It reads more like supporting a team. And as a sports fan, I do understand that way of thinking but I save it for athletics and away from policy matters that effect real people.

19 Dark_Falcon  Sep 4, 2014 5:54:05pm

re: #14 klys

And I will not acknowledge something along the lines you put out, for two reasons:

1. Such an acknowledgement, were I to make it, would hurt me more than silence ever will. This is especially true because…

2. I do not agree with your characterization of Republican positions.

Final note: As far as health care refers to abortion, I am not willing to discuss that topic. I no longer have a position on it.

20 klys  Sep 4, 2014 6:04:23pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

And I will not acknowledge something along the lines you put out, for two reasons:

1. Such an acknowledgement, were I to make it, would hurt me more than silence ever will. This is especially true because…

2. I do not agree with your characterization of Republican positions.

Final note: As far as health care refers to abortion, I am not willing to discuss that topic. I no longer have a position on it.

I wasn’t referring to abortion. Simple fucking things like my ability to make decisions on my own birth control methods and medications without having to jump through 47 hoops to prove that I need to for medical reasons is apparently too much to ask for from Republicans.

Please, explain to me how I have misunderstood Republican positions where, for example, they claim that they are for equal pay for women but vote against any law that would actually help enforce that.

Except you won’t, ever. You just hide behind your assertion that we’re all wrong and continue blithely telling us - through your rah rah party first bullshit - that we aren’t important. That you are perfectly fine having a large number of Lizards be second-class citizens.

21 EPR-radar  Sep 4, 2014 6:08:27pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

And I will not acknowledge something along the lines you put out, for two reasons:

1. Such an acknowledgement, were I to make it, would hurt me more than silence ever will. This is especially true because…

2. I do not agree with your characterization of Republican positions.

Final note: As far as health care refers to abortion, I am not willing to discuss that topic. I no longer have a position on it.

Very well. How about a different line of inquiry?

A significant fraction of the GOP base and leadership would like to see me dead or disappeared because I’m gay.

Will you own up to the simple fact that people who vote GOP are often voting to increase the political power of virulent anti-gay bigots?

22 klys  Sep 4, 2014 6:13:19pm

re: #21 EPR-radar

Very well. How about a different line of inquiry?

A significant fraction of the GOP base and leadership would like to see me dead or disappeared because I’m gay.

Will you own up to the simple fact that people who vote GOP are often voting to increase the political power of virulent anti-gay bigots?

And here we have why I am caring less about hurt feelings. Fuck hurt feelings when the reality is that the people he votes for are actively working to harm Americans under their cloak of “patriotism.”

THERE IS REAL AND ACTIVE HARM IN STANDING IN THE WAY OF TWO PEOPLE WHO LOVE EACH OTHER AND WANT TO GET MARRIED. THERE IS REAL AND ACTIVE HARM IN INTERFERING WITH THE HEALTHCARE DECISIONS THAT A WOMAN AND HER DOCTOR MAKES. THERE IS REAL AND ACTIVE HARM IN PREVENTING WOMEN FROM ACCESSING THE TOOLS THEY NEED TO MAKE SURE THEY’RE BEING PAID THE SAME AMOUNT FOR THE SAME WORK AS THEIR MALE COWORKERS.

I’m done pretending there’s not.

23 Dark_Falcon  Sep 4, 2014 6:35:54pm

re: #22 klys

I would respectfully say that the first item has been largely dealt with as far as Illinois is concerned. And Illinois’ top Republican, Senator Mark Kirk, supported the law permitting same-sex marriage in the Land of Lincoln, as did I.

24 klys  Sep 4, 2014 6:42:41pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

I would respectfully say that the first item has been largely dealt with as far as Illinois is concerned. And Illinois’ top Republican, Senator Mark Kirk, supported the law permitting same-sex marriage in the Land of Lincoln, as did I.

Great, we have moved one step into acknowledging that gay people deserve rights too, hooray! Too bad the majority of your party would love to turn back that clock, and you’d be perfectly willing to vote them into power and allow that to happen, because rah rah, Republicans first!

That is what comes across every time you pull the GO TEAM bullshit. Just something to think on.

25 HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2014 6:46:49pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

I would respectfully say that the first item has been largely dealt with as far as Illinois is concerned. And Illinois’ top Republican, Senator Mark Kirk, supported the law permitting same-sex marriage in the Land of Lincoln, as did I.

Okay what about your party nationwide. Your party nationwide has not only opposed equal rights for gay people but filled with people who demonize them.

26 HappyWarrior  Sep 4, 2014 6:52:23pm

By the way has Kirk ever called out the homophobes that dominate his party or did he just silently accept SSM because he knows there’s no way in hell he could win re-election opposing it? I’ll give him credit for changing his mind but I’ll have respect for the man if he actually calls out the neanderthals in the party that continue ot liken giving gay people rights to giving pedophiles right.s

27 klys  Sep 4, 2014 6:52:48pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

Hah, no, he wants to be re-elected.

28 EPR-radar  Sep 4, 2014 6:53:03pm

re: #23 Dark_Falcon

I would respectfully say that the first item has been largely dealt with as far as Illinois is concerned. And Illinois’ top Republican, Senator Mark Kirk, supported the law permitting same-sex marriage in the Land of Lincoln, as did I.

“Land of Lincoln” eh? Is that even a viable GOP slogan these days anywhere except in Illinois?

29 EPR-radar  Sep 4, 2014 6:54:54pm

re: #26 HappyWarrior

By the way has Kirk ever called out the homophobes that dominate his party or did he just silently accept SSM because he knows there’s no way in hell he could win re-election opposing it? I’ll give him credit for changing his mind but I’ll have respect for the man if he actually calls out the neanderthals in the party that continue ot liken giving gay people rights to giving pedophiles right.s

When the right thing is done purely for expediency without any real challenge to the GOP religious right bigots, it loses much of its impact.

30 Kafitrar  Sep 4, 2014 6:59:41pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

And I will not acknowledge something along the lines you put out, for two reasons:

1. Such an acknowledgement, were I to make it, would hurt me more than silence ever will. This is especially true because…

Really? It looks to me like you’ve got a slow leak of respect that you’re unwilling to plug. Take it with grain of salt, since I’m relatively new here.

2. I do not agree with your characterization of Republican positions.
<snip>

Again, really? Sen. Roberts is pro-life, opposes same-sex marriage, and opposes the Affordable Care Act. Or are you not supporting him?

31 wrenchwench  Sep 4, 2014 8:21:44pm

re: #19 Dark_Falcon

Final note: As far as health care refers to abortion, I am not willing to discuss that topic. I no longer have a position on it.

Male privilege.

32 palomino  Sep 5, 2014 1:38:36pm

re: #9 Dark_Falcon

I’d argue she has a lot to do with this, and as evidence I cite the following (sourced from the same newspaper that you sourced from):

Missouri’s McCaskill urged Democrat to withdraw from Kansas Senate race

Do you actually follow American politics? Not only is what McCaskill did a very common occurrence, it’s not illegal or considered unethical. It’s an inherent part of the political process. For both parties. And it makes perfect sense, for both parties. Either you should find it outrageous for both parties, or for neither. Or you’re a total hypocrite.

What the article criticizes is a separate issue, namely the decision to keep a candidate’s name ON the ballot even though he’s withdrawn from the race. Not only is that confusing to voters, it passes no test of common sense or electoral logic in a democracy.

33 EPR-radar  Sep 5, 2014 1:57:20pm

re: #32 palomino

…
What the article criticizes is a separate issue, namely the decision to keep a candidate’s name ON the ballot even though he’s withdrawn from the race. Not only is that confusing to voters, it passes no test of common sense or electoral logic in a democracy.

But the GOP ratf**king of KS-Sen voting has to be defended with a mindlessness that has to be seen to be believed, simply because it may benefit “Team GOP” in this particular case.


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